Michael Eriksson
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A page with many absurditiese tells how some feminists try to make urination from a standing position an offense, using arguments like:

"more crucially because a man standing up to urinate is deemed to be triumphing in his masculinity, and by extension, degrading women." One argument is that if women can’t do it, then men shouldn’t either. Another is that standing upright while relieving oneself is "a nasty macho gesture," suggestive of male violence.

Such ramblings can stand (!) on their own without further illustration.

What are the true reasons? Well, for one thing, standing up is more convenient, in particular with underwear with a hole in the right place. For another, there are hygienic issues: There is no need to sit where someone else has had their naked behinds, and the risk of having the penis come in contact with the bowl (where someone elses penis or urine may already have been) is removed. Further, when sitting down, men can occasionally “splash” more than when standing: With a natural angle, the stream will hit the bowl (not go straight down, as it would for a woman), and, depending on pressure, quantity, and bowl-construction, a non-trivial amount of the urine can actually be pressed upwards along the bowl, go beneath the seat, and land on the floor—or on the urinator’s pants. (This may seem easy to avoid, but consider e.g. having spent a ten-hour stretch without release and being in a hurry.) In other words, a man who chooses to stand often has very good reasons to do so; oppression of women and lack of feelings for his wife, however, are not among them.

This kind of male-bashing based on flawed assumptions, and without an attempt to find out what the truth is, is symptomatic for much of the feminist movement (and many women in general).


The issue of “putting the seat down” is very similar—this is not men being inconsiderate, but women being idiots who fail to look at what they are doing. Consider e.g. this article on lid usee. In fact, the first time I heard a woman complaining about having “fallen into the toilet”, I had problems comprehending it—and only after repeatedly having encountered similar claims, did I realize that many women simply are that unobservant. That these women, further, fail to see that they are themselves at fault, and instead try to blame the previous visitor, is symptomatic.

(Previously, I thought that they just were of the opinion that whoever raised the seat should lower it again as a courtesy to the next visitor. While this POV is often flawed, because the next visitor could be another man, I had at least some understanding and sympathy for it. Not so for the new explanation...)

Besides, considering how women behave on toiletse, it is highly hypocritical of them to complain about men.